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“Hail mortals, I involved thee from my fairy grove to bring thee tidings of excellent woe,” says a glitter-speckled woguy flapping a pair of iridescent wings in the middle of a faux-woodland, her otherwise naked body strategically festooned in butterflies. “Western society is being destroyed — by cucks, and by sex bending, intoxication, and also sodomy,” she intones solemnly. “You know, points that have actually never before happened in Europe.”

ContraPoints, whose real name is Natalie Wynn, is recognized for slick, moodily lit YouTube videos that draw hundreds of hundreds of views, where she brings a leftist perspective to a variety of hot-switch problems — things favor structural racism, Marxism, transgender politics, and the alt-ideal. With a wink, she calls herself “among YouTube’s leading B-List transsexuals.”

For a time, Wynn gone after a PhD in academic philosophy, yet she left once she found the academy too stifling and hidebound; in this light, ContraPoints is a gloriously efficient act of revenge, redistributing the riches of expertise in digestible develop.

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But her affect and persona are what made her brainy, insightful videos famous. More than many of her contemporaries on “LeftTube,” Wynn has a style; her editorial signature is an unmistakably ornate flourish. Her ContraPoints persona is decadent in the mold of Osvehicle Wilde by method of Weird Twitter: sexily confident and fearlessly indulgent, through orations ceded from plush chairs and also scented baths. Her style exoften tends to the postcontemporary rococo of her set design and the bewildering range of costumed characters she plays on her show, giving us something like Platonic philosophical dialogues in the idiom of social media.

ContraPoints as a character is nopoint if not luxuriously indulgent: “sex, drugs, and social justice” guarantees Wynn’s Twitter bio. It seemed proper to sit dvery own for a drink through her — albeit a digital one. So I poured my Scotch and also set around asking her a few inquiries, specifically about her digital persona, her controversies, and also her feeling of irony — a sharp cocktail of eros and empathy that elevates her political commentary to a singularly powerful aircraft.


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Natalie Wynn in her kitchen.
The anxiety between persona and perchild, familiar to all who are touched by also a feather of fame, is obvious in Wynn’s occupational and online existence. She periodically struggles with the potential disputes between what she wants to say, the expectations of the fans who make memes about her and also deliver her views — occasionally as many kind of as half a million per video — and also a diverse transgender area who has actually pertained to check out her as a representative. The broader left online, energized by a genuine sense that today’s situations present an chance for socialist activities, is likewise starting to check out her as an envoy for the cause; an articulate, attractively cool leftist who’s getting to the digital generation wright here we live.

Nathan J. Robinson, editor-in-chief at the leftist digital magazine Current Affairs, writes that what ContraPoints does is “smart … persuasive ... fun. More of this type of thing, please. God bmuch less ContraPoints. She’s a national treasure.”

But such pressure renders misactions costly. Last November, Wynn was harshly criticized by many type of of her viewers for agreeing to a Vancouver dispute at the University of British Columbia’s “Free Speech Club” through Blaire White, a self-defined conservative YouTuber who has actually mutual coy tweets with Rictough Spencer, enthusiastically sustained far best activist Lauren Southern (whose the majority of recent exploits incorporate participating in explorations to attack asylum seekers in the Mediterranean Sea and also ginning up are afraid around immigrants in Melbourne), and Milo Yiannopoulos (whose relationships to the excessive right, and actual Neo-Nazis are well documented). She has also donned blackchallenge (which many interpreted to mock Babsence Lives Matter, a regular target —though she has considering that deleted many kind of of her YouTube videos attacking them) and also as soon as posted on Facebook that “if he ain’t Aryan, we ain’t marryin’.” Condemnation was swift, and also Wynn was accsupplied of legitimizing a fascist.

“I think they are worth speaking to, for a few reasons,” she created in a lengthy thread defending herself. “I have actually conflicted feelings about it myself yet have chose to take the risk in order to promote a leftist perspective that I think at least some of the audience is receptive to.” While some asserted that she was being offered as a naive prop by the far-appropriate, she insisted that fairly than seeing all her ideological opposites as “hopeless bigots,” that many kind of in their audience hadn’t considered various other points of view in any detail.


One of the tenets of leftist assumed is intended to be that many type of famous attitudes are the outcome not of individual moral defects, but of a collective default method of seeing: "bourgeois ideology," "rape culture," "male gaze" "cis/hetero normativity"

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In the finish, she told me, White “flaked out” on the controversy, and also Wynn ended up chatting with the moderator to a “pretty little classroom.” But amid the call-outs, she forswore future debates through best wing extremists, virtually petulantly, because “my heart can’t take the backlash anymore.” In a subsequent, searching Twitter thread she composed around exactly how the backlash had actually forced her to entirely rethink her life.

“At initially, I was confused that anyone could check out me as this figure of any kind of prestige. But currently I think I’m starting to kind of obtain it,” she told me, prior to describing fan meetups in the US and also Canada wbelow she met over a hundred various other trans civilization that impressed upon her the prominence of her function. This, she shelp, brought about recently out trans human being looking up to her as an instance of confidence and success in shift. “There’s the majority of emotional investment, not in me yet in people’s idea of me.”

“This is the best piece of advice I have the right to provide to aspiring YouTubers,” she composed on Twitter at the time: “your audience are not your friends. They are spectators. Their love is very contingent. The minute you fuck up you’re dead to them. They execute not love you. They love an idea of you.”

Eventually the hurt feelings offered method to a brand-new sense of duty. “I basically had to radically change the means I behave online,” she tells me. She’s tried to attract a clearer line in between her persona and herself, cutting back on revealing personal streams, eschewing flashy public debates, and also reasoning even more critically about how her work will certainly be taken.


ContraPoints provides us a feeling of what it looks like to combat the emotional appeal of neo-fascists through something similarly visceral

Confronting the right, she says, is “generally my mission,” however “the method I go about it has certainly adjusted.” Beyond that, yet, she has actually pertained to question the energy of these sorts of one-on-one arguments. “A dispute,” she told me, “is a very certain type of performance.” Wynn’s point is well taken; debates seldom test the rigor of ideas, but the toughness of one’s pitch. That pitch combines many elements: appearance, style, rhetoric. But “truth” is not required, just a great dispute. Though frequently conflated, these are not the exact same. A persuasive discussion is not necessarily a precise one; a poor argument is not necessarily wrong.

Wynn readily available up an instance of the latter from her earliest days as a YouTuber: she’d disputed Blaire White before, online, well prior to she herself had actually transitioned.

“Even though I think whatever I shelp is fundamentally true,” she said, “I looked awkward. I was wearing this awkward pink anime wig and also not looking at the camera and also simply talking choose an insecure guy. And I’m beside, you understand, the conservative shitlord fish-queen supreme,” she shelp, laughing. “None of this has anypoint to carry out with factor, namong this has anything to execute through proof, none of these points world imagine themselves being persuaded by.”

The cult of rationality that pervades so much discourse across the political spectrum neglects the role of emotion in our decisionmaking, and also, maybe most urgently, the function of emotional appeal in the success of many neo-fascist motions roughly the civilization. Perhaps the a lot of essential thing ContraPoints supplies us is a feeling of what it looks prefer to combat that vision via something similarly visceral.


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There’s constantly a minute in her videos that throws you.

In the abovementioned episode, “The West,” it isn’t her performance as a glamorously nude faerie queen; instead, it’s her nostalgic reflection on the timeless real-time-strategy game Age of Empires, including a bit where the bearded “prophet” from the game magically willed a metaphorical sex shift from male to female. She acsuppliers this via a flirty lament around The Golden One, a Swedish YouTube personality who mixes bodystructure through neo-fascism and also looks precisely prefer the ‘roided-out Aryan slab you’d intend.

“Ah, The Golden One,” Contra says, “his soul and also mine are intermingled. Probably bereason we both played 1,200 hours of Period of Empires in 1999 and then something went terribly wrong. Fuckin’ 9/11! It offered to be such an innocent decision, selecting to play the Franks or the Saracens, and then it became this astronomical civilizational struggle… and that’s why this guy is a fascist and also I flourished approximately be a womale.”

When decreating the sludge of alt-best YouTube, Contra consistently and also methodically picks acomponent the initially principles of streamers. But she provides a coquettish tone as soon as she talks about The Golden One — a strategy that is as subversive as it is reliable. Infinite jest, paintotally finite seriousness, all at the cost of a self-severe fascist bodybuilder. “Tright here are things you can say in the voice of a fictional character that you might not explore any other method,” she tells me.

As the election of Donald Trump plainly demonstprices, mocking bigots is not adequate in itself to speak them. Instead, Wynn supplies a different tool to humorously weaken her many sanctimonious right-wing targets: seduction. Her video around right-wing self-aid guru Jordan Peterchild starts with her flirting via him (or a masked mannequin of him, at any kind of rate) at some length, sitting him down in her bathroom so he have the right to watch her bathe while she critiques him. She calls him “daddy.”

There’s a lot to unfill right here, however in brief, as Wynn puts it, “You respond to a political enemy and have actually the design of that conversation be seduction. Due to the fact that typically what you have actually on YouTube is this incredibly combative posture right? Ownage. Wrecking. Destroying your opponent.” It is, she states, a “toxically masculine posture: the idea that a conversation or an discussion is about destroying another perkid. That’s a destructive believed and a disastrous way to have actually discourse.”


It is fun to watch, but, as Wynn notes. Thus, to entertain without providing right into that ‘x evisceprices y’ screaming-headline discourse, she turns to seduction. Far from including to their mystique (can one imagine Jordan Peterkid as a sex symbol?) it actually helps chip away at their threatening postures.

“I die laughing every time TheGoldenOne is included in your videos,” writes one commenter. That, indeed, is the suggest. And it’s bigger than just making a funny for its own sake.

The strategy captures a dynamic detailed by fellow LeftTuber, film doubter Lindsay Ellis, in her evaluation of the satire in Mel Brooks’ The Producers. She argues that aesthetics of the earnestly anti-Nazi film Amerihave the right to History X are eagerly aped by actual neo-Nazis, however the uproariously campy rendition of Hitler’s Germany in The Producers is not. Real life Nazis are not, Ellis notes dryly, singing “Springtime for Hitler.” In the finish, despite all the conflict around the film, it hit them where it hurt.

Wynn’s strikes as ContraPoints are similarly surgical, and also what parses as lighthearted jocularity or inexplicable sex-related attraction at first quickly resolves right into a virtual pantsing. It’s a prologue to an elegant crash course in the background of postmodernism and why Peterson’s obscurantism makes him difficult to argue through. Calling Jordan Peterson “daddy” and also portraying him as a robot lovingly watching Wynn bathe doesn’t ennoble him; it erodes him. That was made clear once Peterson’s single response to Wynn’s very closely suggested video was a mere “no comment,” when he had actually thundered at and even threatened even more earcolony (much less flirty) doubters.

Irony is a method rather than an end for ContraPoints. In an era saturated by Dadaist humor on every social media platcreate, wbelow memes end up being news, this deserve to seem to be a meaningmuch less distinction. But it makes all the distinction. For all of her racy humor, Wynn is no edgelord. Throughout her interview, she was nothing if not deeply sincere.

She decries what she calls the “South Park” sensibility, which, as she sees it, holds that “the problem via the people is that some world take it seriously.” It’s a centrist viewpoint, she states, which “the fascists latched appropriate onto and did a good project with, bereason that cares more than the social justice warriors? ‘Look at them through their signs, their protests, their complaints. Look at these bad, naive, uncool fools caring about a point and trying to make the people much better unironically.’”

But at the exact same time, she oboffered that irony can be an effective tool to make world treatment.


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Wynn as her character, Tiffany type of Tumbles.
Wynn is regularly such an eloquent middle finger to alt-ideal pretensions that it have the right to obscure the truth that she is profoundly brand-new at this. She’s a streamer whose two-year-old YouTube channel is older than her life as an out transsex woguy, the ruptures of which punctuate her videos from the past year as whatever from jokes to digressions to entirety episodes worth of vein-stripping insight.

Her humor can’t be decreased to the discrete block of a “skit” or a throwameans gag; it’s expressively wstove right into the points she’s making, and only rarely feels prefer a distraction — as it so often have the right to once late-night comedians clumsily attempt to sign up with significant topics via zany humor. Where John Oliver’s humor is a non-sequitur punctuation to the meaty topics that he covers on Last Week Tonight, ContraPoints’ create is the content. And in the procedure she’s just as enlightening as Oliver, even more radical, and absolutely more elegant.

In her current video “Tiffany type of Tumbles,” she appears as a satirical character — the eponymous Tiffany type of — a sassy trans fashion vlogger that dons a MAGA hat and rants about “the Muslims” in in between makeup tips. The suggest of this episode, among her many sophisticated and also emotional performances, is to gain inside the head of Tiffany type of to expose just how “exactly how bigoattempt becomes internalized and exactly how internalized bigotry becomes the alibi of external bigotry.”

This kind of exercise in vulnercapacity is quite unique — also among comedians, who exercise an artcreate identified by self-deprecation. Wynn’s humor folds ago on itself into affirmation, after all, which trans people in certain require in a political age wbelow our extremely presence is held up for dispute. And that’s just how we concerned the semiotics of sucking a trans woman’s dick.


About halfmeans via the Tiffany kind of Tumbles video, viewers acquire a prolonged disquisition around the distinct contours of transgender sexuality. In the guise of an additional character, a plaid shirt-wearing trans lesbian called Adria, Wynn discusses why being a lesbian needn’t involve an aversion to penises, bereason, among other things, a “feminine penis” attached to a womale can involve a physically various endure.

“So to start via,” Adria says, “it doesn’t obtain as hard, it doesn’t really ejaculate, and it has actually a various mouthfeel. Can we please talk about the mouthfeel? Why is no one talking around the mouthfeel?” she repeats, looking right right into the cam through her clear-framed glasses as the camera zooms in. “Girl-dick is every little thing soft and also smooth.” The irony lies in the confronting vulgarity of this speech, yet not in its substance. It’s a sincere report on sex-related experience among trans womales and also trans-feminine world. A woguy through a penis is not a contradiction, and also she have the right to also market a distinct sex-related experience; none of that invalidates her insurance claim to womanhood.

The video is a crescenperform for Contra’s actors of personalities, almost every one of whom stay on simply the right side of caricature. “Anyone who writes fiction strives to present personalities as more than one-dimensional,” she tells me. Not so through political satire, she laments, “also though your villains have interiority — they love, they hate, they feel.” She wants to go past mockery and the point-scoring of mentioning hypocrisy. “There’s this creative drive or something in me that impels me to sympathize through villains,” she mirrors, “however it’s maybe not an excellent impulse as someone who wants to carry out activism too.”

The story she tells about Tiffany kind of Tumbles is a tragedy about self-loathing turning to evil, revealing that potential trajectory in us all. Wynn offers Tiffany to check out the struggles of all trans womales in a way that doesn’t excuse that bigoattempt. It’s a surprisingly affecting tableau of trans sexuality, indefense, and the quiet desperation we all live through, refracted with the life of a self-immolating womale who sells out her sisters in the hopes of dulling her own pain. Tiffany’s individual hell — revealed through a climactic breakdown scene that Wynn states took her eight takes over three days to film — is framed as an especially deep circle of infernal insecurity shared by all trans woguys, consisting of Wynn herself.

“It’s incredibly personal stuff,” Wynn states about the transness of her videos, which have checked out her change visibly before her audience, “and also it’s deeply interwcooktop via political commentary, consisting of great things around my sex life and things about my body, or anxious thoughts I have actually as soon as I’m trying to loss asleep at night… The deeper taracquire of is not Blaire White, but my brain.”


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Wynn as her character, Tiffany Tumbles.
There deserve to be no decadence without the theatrical tragedy of a shattered glass; when the glass falls right here, it punctures a scalding scene around the truth of trans presence. Tumbles is alone at night, after participating in a right-wing conflict show, drinking herself into a stupor after reading transphobic comments from the incredibly right wingers she’s pandering to. Her cocktail glass shatters as she ultimately passes out; she’ll challenge one more day as a MAGA vlogger. She resides a lie, however not as a woguy. The lie is her tragic belief that her public self-abasement will win her any genuine affection from anyone.

Wynn calls the video “cathartic” — and I felt it too; it was a item of occupational that transmutes babsence humor right into searing empathy. It toyed with deeply personal pain that somejust how cut deeply to my bone. Tiffany’s anxieties — about dysphoria, her self-loapoint, her false idea that she might carry out anypoint to sheight bigotry being hurled at her — are widespread to so many of us trans world. Yet the ironic tone, a mixer in a fine cocktail, took the edge off the difficult stuff. When pain emerged ungarnished, it was not just even more emotional, but expressive for that reality. The wound is real, and also the fact that tright here are no Contra jokes to wrap it up in offers Tiffany’s breakdown a hiss-inducing sting. Thturbulent it all, Contra’s irony isn’t simply offered to wound others, yet to expand our sense of empathy.

We view it in her latest video, also — a meaningcompletely fresh take on so-referred to as “incel” areas. Without validating what she likens to a “death cult,” Wynn explores the similarities between the digital self-damage of incels and that of trans womales that are early on in their transitions, structure a bridge of empathy via a noxious team that has actually developed literal terrorists. She calls their worldwatch “masochistic epistemology”: “whatever damages is true.”

In the process, she not just helps us understand also why incels think what they believe, however why every one of us feel a certain desire to review hurtful things about ourselves online; all this, interspersed through phrenology jokes that Contra web links to her own desire to obtain facial feminization surgical procedure. Speaking to incels, Contra tells them that they use their disagreements not as true plan positions, however “as razor knives to abuse yourselves. And I understand. Since I’ve done the specific same thing.”


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Wynn as her character, Tabby.
Despite the sharpening of her skills as an ironist, and learning exactly how to balance persuasiveness through conviction, that disconnect in between Wynn and her digital persona remains; it bedevils her as it bedevils all the streamers and also microcelebrities who dominate our age. In a current tweet she oboffered, through characteristic humor: “BDE is a really useful concept to me bereason I’m frequently asked to define the difference in between my digital persona and also me as a perboy. I can’t think of a much better means to put it than this: ‘Contra’ has actually BDE. I carry out not.”

It brings one ago to the question of what “BDE” is — a question that’s incredibly a lot Contra’s kind of approach. “A lot of Contra’s BDE comes from what, in genuine life, would certainly be escalator wit,” she tells me. “After an enrespond to with a bigained, you think of clever retorts that, in a actual confrontation, you don’t have the agility or the courage to create. Well, Contra has actually a manuscript and also she can fire these points off from the safety of the studio.”

Wynn added, “I’m agreeable to a fault. So Contra is choose this superhero I imagined that states the things I want to say.”


Her views have actually been affected by the personalities she has actually developed, as well. The wildly renowned character of Tabby — an anarcho-communist trans cat-girl who sporting activities an ANTIFA patch and wields a baseround bat to smash capitalism — began life as a caricature of radicals that Wynn felt weren’t strategically minded sufficient. But her audience “resonated via the character,” finding her a “cute and type of cathartic” existence and also, hence, she states, “I’ve switched to portraying her in a more sympathetic light.” Increasingly, Tabby feels like a part of Wynn’s own psyche as she herself has actually radicalized.

In a recent video, once Contra and also Tabby were saying about revolution versus electdental redevelop, Tabby broached the unsettling possibility that the 2020 presidential election can be “delayed” or canceled outideal. “Well,” Contra said, “then I’ll shift right into you and become you unironically.” It feels choose she’s gaining tright here, absolutely.

The many remarkable difference in between Contra and also the womale who plays her lies in the question of sincerity; in perchild, Wynn is earswarm and agonizes over the energy of her work. Contra, meanwhile, can blithely say into the camera: “Reason; power; fact. These are the kinds of topics that I sindicate don’t treatment around.” Alas, she sighs, she supposes she hregarding talk about them. But after my time via her, I currently sense a perceptible wink behind all that affected aloofness and decadent disdain. Committing the cardinal sin of our age, Wynn cares deeply; almost as well much.


This self-awareness and Wynn’s forceful separation of herself from her YouTube persona has grvery own naturally out of her online experiences, including the painful ones. Instead of letting her fans pretfinish that they know the real her just from seeing her work-related, she has currently drawn clear boundaries. Fans aren’t friends, and also performance isn’t self. It’s a tough leskid to learn when thousands are watching — maybe many especially in the moments once you’re actually in the wrong.

In our conversation, which sprawled over two hrs and also adjust, she was constantly quick to check herself, explain other points of watch fairly, and even slam herself. But she likewise stayed resolute around critiquing her allies. We had a particularly fruitful chat about the tendency for liberals and also leftists to overusage words favor “problematic” or “gaslighting” to the point of meaninglessness. Leftists, she alerts, are in peril of “entombing ourselves in this paranoid world of purity,” impenetrable to those whose previous ethical failings were even remotely public — a rapidly widening populace in a human being conquered by social media. “How was I able to come to be a leftist figure on the internet? Well, only bereason I was nobody.”


I pertained to the interview wanting to ask pointed questions around some of her best controversies and also criticisms: her abortive dispute with Blaire White, her vulnercapacity to the tactic of “lovebombing” — attempting to affect someone with insincere positive attention — from the alt-best, and also her decision to accept an interview through journalist Jesse Singal, an inexplicably constant commentator on trans concerns whose work-related is concerned by many kind of trans human being as hostile to the neighborhood.

Wynn lugged up each of these topics without being motivated. She notes a chronic tension among her fans and allies “that I am going to perform a face-heel turn… that I’m going to basically go to the dark side and also end up being a fascist or something.” But she plainly pays attention to who responds to her and what their motives can be. She detailed that after her warm intersee via Singal she was lovebombed by “centrists and right wingers” that readily available false comfort over exactly how she was being criticized by various other trans human being.

She’s philosophical around the affair currently, regrettotally noting that she didn’t understand the pertinent background behind his story deffinishing a medical professional at the inwell known Centre for Addiction and also Mental Health in Toronto, a state-funded clinic which many trans individual, myself included, have actually likened to convariation therapy for trans civilization.

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She was horrified, later, when she saw Singal’s recent and much-criticized cover story for The Atlantic, a 10,000 word apotheosis of his moral panic about trans youngsters receiving treatment for sex dysphoria. It’s a renowned hobby-horse for media in both the US and also UK: scaremongering around an imagined wave of young gender non-condeveloping cis kids being forced by well-meaning physicians to take hormones and also have life-changing surgeries.

“I cried as soon as I witnessed that cover of The Atlantic,” she told me. “Because I realize I had actually been an alibi to this perkid who’d just composed this short article for a significant glossy magazine via a cover that shows up to misgender a trans boy twice.”

For both Wynn and also Contra, her climb as a major leftist voice on YouTube has been a crash course, one that happened at the breakneck pace of social media, live-streamed in genuine time. There has been little bit room for error, none for rehearsal, and also as well few quiet spaces for this type of reflection. But it is clear that she’s listened to her left-leaning movie critics over the last few months, and also that she’s an excellent deal savvier than she’s periodically offered crmodify for.

I’ve been out as a trans womale for a decade currently and I feel a certain arrogance creeping upon my thoughts once I’m not looking: that yearning to condescend to newly out trans people, to declaim their lack of understanding, suffer, and also, yes, experiencing. But talking to Wynn candidly opened up a home window on what that’s actually favor for a trans woguy coming out today, prior to the snap judgment of countless strangers in the putrefying swamps of Twitter and Reddit. Above all, it’s a course away from shame that other queer civilization have the right to follow, not just in regards to her trajectory towards success, yet the playful, joyful, and also honest way she viewpoints it.

“I carry via me from my male upbringing a sense that femininity is forbidden,” she tells me. “So when I show up on YouTube with forty butterflies glued to my body and also glitter all over my challenge, I have actually a sense that I’m gaining ameans via something I’m not expected to. I’m being decadent. I’m enjoying a forbidden pleacertain. And that’s fun, and it’s funny. It’s constantly funny to watch someone shamelessly reap somepoint they’re not intended to gain.”

“If you’re going to be doing this miserable company of talking to these far-right goons, you might also enjoy it.”